Hi, I am David Zetland, and I am trying to get my money back from Doug. He has also stolen money from others. You can contact me at dzetland AT gmail.com or 510-455-4656.

Friday, May 30, 2008

Check in the Mail?

Doug,

No check as of last night.

Since I cannot tell if you are sending it (good) or wasting my time (bad), I'm back to square one (court). So, I'll file a complaint if there's no check when I get back to DC tomorrow night.

David
ps/many people are telling me that I am being too polite, but I never want to say that I didn't give you fair warning...

Thursday, May 22, 2008

Turning to the Courts

Doug,

You have not returned any of my calls/emails so I am going to assume that you are unwilling to return my money and I am going to sue you.

If this is wrong, please contact me before tomorrow at 5pm to arrange CASH payment of my 500$ by tomorrow at 8 pm

[Doug replies the next day:]

David - I have to say -- you are quite the case!

First - you have continued to contact me at numbers and emails that I have
told you that I do not use. My home phone and work phones have no messages from you. I had e-mailed you the correct info for myself and the accounts that I
use - and nothing.

When you first were coming here to DC you had suggested that we meet up in a couple of weeks and settle up. I had no problems. Last week I did check this e-mail account and you had said that you wanted to come by over the weekend. I replied that I was not going to be home until Monday night. Apparently without answer you decided that because you wanted to come by Monday night - you did - though I had not replied - hadn't received your communication and wasn't home. Somehow that's my fault.

Again this week you have contacted me via means that you are aware I do not check -- and now taken to calling Lynn - who has nothing to do with anything, is very suspect of you -- rightly, wont give a stranger any information -- and at this point believes you're a bit nuts.

It is amazing to me that there is now a "situation" and drama -- where there needed to be none. There is no great conspiracy here. No dodging or hiding from you. The simple fact is that between personal and business situations - I haven't been home and am not now. I wasn't aware of your e-mails and I do not have the phone with me that you have called, and I dont check it.

I am out of town - I am opening amphitheaters for Clearchannel for the summer season and will be back after the holiday weekend. If you want cash in your hand for something tonight - it's not going to happen as I am not there.

You do what you feel you need to. As I have said - I was under the premise of your words that we would meet up in a couple of weeks after you got here and things settled on both ends, and with all that was going on with me - really hadn't giving it much thought. I will be checking this account today as I have access but wont later this weekend. At this point I would prefer not to meet you at all -- but send you your funds to whatever address you wish as soon as I return.

[I reply immediately]

Please call me ASAP -- 530-848-9208.

We can discuss this, but I don't want to type a bunch of replies.

I am not going to address the nuts stuff, since you never send me your "real" contact information.

[No call. I send a longer email]

David - I have to say -- you are quite the case!

First - you have continued to contact me at numbers and emails that I have told you that I do not use.

You have not sent me or called me with ANY of the ones you do use!

My home phone and work phones have no messages from you.

I called your home phone and left msgs for "Doug press one"

I had e-mailed you the correct info for myself and the accounts that I use - and nothing.

Never got it?!?!

When you first were coming here to DC you had suggested that we meet up in a couple of weeks and settle up. I had no problems. Last week I did check this e-mail account and you had said that you wanted to come by over the weekend. I replied that I was not going to be home until Monday night.

You said Monday.

Apparently without answer you decided that because you wanted to come by Monday night - you did - though I had not replied - hadn't received your communication and wasn't home. Somehow that's my fault.
Your neighbor said you had just driven off (sometime before I arrived).

If you were not going to be there, why didn't you call or leave a note?

Why didn't you call when I left my card there?

Again this week you have contacted me via means that you are aware I do not check -- and now taken to calling Lynn - who has nothing to do with anything, is very suspect of you -- rightly, wont give a stranger any information -- and at this point believes you're a bit nuts.

Back to the above -- I know no other numbers....

Well -- I can't say I blame her -- I have not talked to you in two weeks -- why have you not called me? My phone/email have been on and working for the whole time. You also know that I send email to this account. (Why are you still NOT sending email from your "primary" account?)

It is amazing to me that there is now a "situation" and drama -- where there needed to be none. There is no great conspiracy here. No dodging or hiding from you. The simple fact is that between personal and business situations - I haven't been home and am not now. I wasn't aware of your e-mails and I do not have the phone with me that you have called, and I dont check it.

Ok -- then let's fix this. Please give me my $500 back.

Pure and simple -- that's all I am looking for.

If you are able to see this in any different light, I can't understand why.

I am out of town - I am opening amphitheaters for Clearchannel for the summer season and will be back after the holiday weekend. If you want cash in your hand for something tonight - it's not going to happen as I am not there.

Well -- then call me.

You do what you feel you need to. As I have said - I was under the premise of your words that we would meet up in a couple of weeks after you got here and things settled on both ends, and with all that was going on with me - really hadn't giving it much thought. I will be checking this account today as I have access but wont later this weekend. At this point I would prefer not to meet you at all -- but send you your funds to whatever address you wish as soon as I return.

Good -- now we are where we need to be, i.e., repayment.

Of course there is no need to meet. I suggest that the easiest/cleanest way to finish this is for you to paypal funds to me. You do not need an account -- just a credit card -- and the transfer is VERY fast and documented on both sides.

You can send $500 to dzetland@gmail.com via paypal without even needing to tell me it's on the way. Instructions:

If you do not have a PayPal account:

Here's How:

1. Visit https://www.paypal.com.
2. Click Send Money at the top of the page.
3. Enter payment information and click Continue.
4. Enter your information to create a PayPal account and click Agree & Continue.
5. Review the details of your payment and click Send Money.

Thank you for replying. Your desire to repay me is helpful. Perhaps we are not seeing this in the same way in terms of timing/communication, but your desire to "take care of it after a few weeks" does not match my desire to get it over with. This -- combined with the fact that you have my money, you changed the "deal" (no room), and you are hard to get a hold of -- has led to my (to you) over-the-top behavior.

I expect to get an email/call from you later today confirming that you got this.

I am *sure* that paypal will work (it will take you 10 minutes) and we can be done with this by Tuesday...

I will delay filing the claim while we are making progress.

[and then, for emphasis]

Let me repeat one passage -- for emphasis -- since the other stuff is
not important:

> Of course there is no need to meet. I suggest that the
> easiest/cleanest way to finish this is for you to paypal funds to me.
> You do not need an account -- just a credit card -- and the transfer
> is VERY fast and documented on both sides.

[clipped]

[He replies]

David -

I am not doing this -- it's juvenile. Your 3 e-mails in a short time goes to my point about over the top behavior. I dont have time for this.

Simply - I owe your deposit back. I have offered to send it to you. If you do not wish to give me the information to do so, and resolve this in a reasonable business like manner -- then that is your decision. I do not have a paypal account, have limited computer access (this is being sent via cell phone), and will not be handling this in that manner.

You may either send me the mailing address, and I will send your refund upon my return or you may take whatever other action you feel you need to.

Doug

[I reply]

Doug,

Please mail the check to:

David Zetland
[address removed]

Thanks!

Monday, May 19, 2008

Trying to Get $$ Back 2

Doug,

I'll come by ~7:30 tonight, subject to Metro speed.

[I send this to friends (in case Doug is hostile)]

...I am going over to talk to him @ 19:30.

He's here: 1229 10th Street NW Unit #1. 202-289-5651

If you don't hear back from me by 21:00 (6 pm California time), try my cell phone...

[When I arrive he's not there. I call Lynn, trying to find out what's happening. She seems to be doing well "after the accident" (?) but has no idea of what Doug's up to. I write:]

I went by your place, but your upstairs neighbor (#2) said you had driven off.

I was hoping that you could give me cash or a check for the $500 deposit that I gave you (via K), but no Doug = no money :(

I think the easiest thing is for you to give me a check. I am only three metro stops away (Columbia Hts metro), and I can meet you there in the evening. Cash is, of course, acceptable.

I just had a nice chat with Lynn, who says she will fwd this email to your "primary" email account and contact your via your "primary" cell phone.

I hope to hear from you tomorrow on this matter. Please call me.

Thanks,

David
ps/I'd love to have a drink with you, but -- to be frank -- this deposit thing is starting to get annoying. My friends and family are very concerned that I am getting ripped off, and I am trying to be understanding, but the lack of communication from your end is REALLY driving me nuts and wasting my time.

Friday, May 16, 2008

Trying to Get $$ Back

Doug,

I opened a local bank account, so a check is fine. Hope I didn't put through any hassles over getting cash.

See you Monday!

Thursday, May 15, 2008

Coming for the money

Doung,

As I said in my voicemail -- I'll be coming by @ 11 on Saturday to get my deposit back.

Let's have a coffee!

David

[I correct my typo]

Doug! Sorry....

[Doug replies]

HUH? Confused. Sorry about what?

I wont be in town this weekend. Am taking the boys to the beach (their grandparents live there). I am leaving tonight and will be home on Monday.

Doug

[I reply]

Sorry that I misspelled you name as Doung :)

I guess that I can come by Monday night ~7 or 8?

Wanna get a drink?

Sunday, May 11, 2008

On the Way to DC

[I FINALLY talk to Doug from Denver on my way to DC. (I called him.) I tell him that I can find anther place. I don't want to make his life tougher after Lynn had the accident and the kids have to come over, etc. He says thanks. I suggest that we have a beer when he returns my $500 but we don't make a date.

He says that he's been hard to reach because the cell # Lynn gave me was "not his primary cell" -- it was an extra he bought once. He was not replying to emails to his AOL account "because I don't check that one that often. I have a primary email account". I ask him to send me his primary contacts, but see nothing when I get to DC. I then send this:]

primary email and mobile numbers?

[He's never sent me these "primary" numbers...]

Friday, May 9, 2008

See you tomorrow

[Besides the cryptic "auto" email, I have not heard from Doug. I try to be tolerant and press ahead.]

Hi Doug,

Hope the emergency is working out. I'll arrive ~11pm (via flight to National). If you wil lnot be there, please leave a key with the neighbor so I can get in.

I'm bringing queen sheets - hope they fit the bed.

Please call me if we need to discuss anything.

[He replies]

David -

OK. VERY unlike me not to get back to someone -- and not sure what to do here exactly.

First - I apologize for not having responded and now doing so last minute.

I have a dilemma...

Lynn was hit dead on. Hard enough to total a 4 door Mercedes in an instant. I have been with her and the kids all week. Needless to say for me, when my family is involved or hurt. Nothing else matters and all goes to the background.

We can talk about it all later.

Here's my situation - I know you are coming in this weekend. And I can accommodate that -- though not as prepared as I would like to be. But - I cannot at this point say that I can fulfill the rental agreement we spoke of.

I believe -- to be very up front -- that I will be taking my kids for at least the first half of the summer and having them here with me as of Memorial Day weekend which is in two weeks.

I hate to tell you this -- and have been working around options in my head -- but I have to be truthful about it. I feel horrible in regard to you -- but as a father and actually STILL a husband my priorities are again -- my family.

I am sure this is not what you want to hear. I have no problem refunding your money if need be. I understand if you want to bow out even for the short term -- it all just plain sucks.

Anyhow - IM beat -- and painting the spare room now - I will actually be available tomorrow if you want to chat before you get here via the home or cell phone.

I am not sure if I will be here tomorrow night or not but will try to be. If not. On the stoop out front are three mailboxes. The top one is mine. I will leave keys in it if I am not here. Make yourself at home. The first room in the back hall on the right is yours. Hopefully I will have it painted at least and the sheets -- dont worry -- I have fresh ones on the bed and sorry but it's a double.

Sure this e-mail makes half sense... Emotionally and physically exhausted.

I will talk with you tomorrow.

Doug.

[I reply]

Doug,

I am very sorry to hear about this disaster, and it puts many things in context.

I think I will be able to find another place (assuming one in all my panicked back-up plans comes together), but we can discuss that in person. I realize that you will probably need the space -- let alone the privacy -- to take care of your family.

I have a place to stay tomorrow night, and I will stop by on Sun morning. (I'll call first.) Let's talk then about details.

(BTW, I am happy to hear from you -- the surreal silence did not make sense.)

Best wishes for you and your family. (Is Lynn ok? In the hospital?)

I'll call you from the airport on my way tomorrow.

David

Thursday, May 8, 2008

Questions!

Doug,

Hope the ermergency has settled down. Please call me ASAP to discuss logistics. Only 2 days and I have many things on hold, waiting to talk to you.

Thanks! (and see you soon!)

Monday, May 5, 2008

Panic

Doug,

No idea if you are out of town/communication but please reply ASAP.

David (doesn't want to be homeless) Zetland

[I get this email one hour later. Note the delay (not an auto-reply) and date "written" -- I didn't get this after my Sat email]

from Jagmanva1@aol.com
to dzetland@gmail.com
date Mon, May 5, 2008 at 12:38 PM
subject Out of Office Auto Reply: Re: SECOMD REQUEST ... moving questions (1 o ?)

Due to a family emergency I will not be available today, Thursday, May 30,
through Wed. May 7. I will respond to e-mail and messages upon my return.

Doug

Saturday, May 3, 2008

Disconnected phone?

[I tried to call Doug, but the phone was disconnected. I had no other number (and no email reply), so I called Lynn. She gave me a cell number with the default answering voice. I left a message, worried.]

I'll be there in a week, and I am making plans...

I called your house -- disconnect -- and then called Lynn, who gave me your cell ph# (202-210-4340, right?)

1) I am thinking of biking to work. Do you have any hints/ideas on bikes? I will probably bring my bike, but if you know of a bike I can use/buy for two months, that may save me $100 in shipping costs (R/T) for my own. I can always go to Craigslist.

2) Can I start re-directing some mail to you place?

3) What's the bed size? I can bring sheets for queen.

4) Do you have a moka coffee maker? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moka_Express) If not, I'll bring mine.

More later -- feel free to email or call me.

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